Meeting Of The Minds??

I asked Ron to meet me for the first time last week, and he was kind enough to do so. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe I’m the only one in this or writing about this, who has actually met with Ron.

I spent a long time talking to Ron. I looked him dead in the eye and asked him multiple rapid fire questions, which he answered with no hesitation whatsoever.

I am now 100% certain that Ron had nothing to do with the SWAT’s or any other part of all the bullshit he’s being accused of by certain people who are pulling “facts” out of their ass.

Pat Frey owes Ron a huge apology for Patterico’s irresponsible post that indicated that Ron was in league with Neal and/or Brett. Patrick Frey also owes Ron an apology for Pat’s wild accusations [read: slander] that Ron committed a crime. If Ron was even suspected of a crime, you can bet your bottom dollar that at least one of the at least three detectives working on the SWATs would have at least contacted Ron by now – it’s been what – 6 months?? Obviously, there is no evidence – Pat made that up. After 6 months, you can be sure that at least a shred of evidence would have come out after all this time, had Pat been telling the truth. His claims make as much sense as saying that Adrian Chen did the SWATs. Or Markos. Or freakin Katie Couric.

And the rest of Ron’s accusers need to learn to forget about “Trust”, as when it comes to Patrick Frey, it seems that “Verify” is the critical part.

And if Pat thinks I got anything wrong here, he is welcome to comment/respond here for himself. He is not welcome to send a troll (or a more polished writer) to do his bidding.

When I asked Ron if I could post about this, he said it was ok, but not to bother “defend”-ing him. I take issue with that characterization. People on both “sides” of this thing have accused me of “defending” others. These folks seem to forget: I do not have a dog in this fight; I have not defended anyone. Rather, I am relaying what I have learned, what I have observed, and, in light of that, pointing out the difference between what is nonsensical and what is common sense.

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73 Responses to “Meeting Of The Minds??”

  1. Liberty Chick Says:

    I verify everything Pat communicates to me & find it to be 100% factual. On the rare occasion that he makes a flat out error about something, he corrects it & sets the record straight.

    To my knowledge, Pat never came out & accused Ron. Ron accused Ron. He took Pat’s words & turned them into an accusation. [later retraction (of sorts?) here: http://tinyurl.com/7xc97yk -ed]

    I will be honest, I’ve always wanted to give Ron the benefit of the doubt. It’s difficult to do though when I see the guy tweeting false accusations about me – accusing ME of crimes, btw – every day for 6 months straight, and doing the same to others. When I spoke to Ron over the phone several times, he was pleasant only if I let him rant about what he wanted to. Even as he insisted that people I have MET IN PERSON are fake sockpuppets & hackers, I remained calm. But anytime I tried to tell him where he was wrong, about others & about me, he screamed over me & would not listen. Case in point – his wildly inaccurate depiction of what happened when I tried to cover Greg Howard’s harassment during Twittergate last year & why I abandoned the article. He simply kept yelling over me, “no, no, no…nothing you can say will change my opinion on this.” Well, I wasn’t trying to change his opinion – I was trying to provide him with actual EVIDENCE of the FACTUAL account.

    If Ron really cared about the truth, he would listen to it when people offer it to him. He refuses to do so.

    You’ll have to excuse me if I lack the sympathy that you or anyone else might feel for Ron. I had it at one point in time, but when he returned to making false, unfounded accusations again, I left that sympathy behind me for good. Nearly everything he tweets about “the rest of [his] accusers” are manipulation or outright lies. I believe plenty of examples of that have already been provided at this blog.

    I have always been willing to meet with Ron. I would still do so, but not without a third party there to observe how he responds when I try to offer him the evidence to prove that his accusations are false.

    • “Circumstantial evidence ties together Ford and Rauhauser — and also ties them to a man named Ron Brynaert, a former editor of a web site connected to the bomber. You haven’t heard the last of him.”

      Actually NOT from Weekly World News, but found here: http://patterico.com/2011/08/10/conversations-with-puppets-part-2-a-post-for-the-casual-reader-who-usually-skips-weinergate-posts/

      that’s of course just one small example.

      I have not made any claims above about Ron’s beliefs, writings, or demeanor when making political arguments. That is not what I mean for the post to address. So, I am not arguing your veracity on those points and did not mean to.

    • anonymous Says:

      “I verify everything Pat communicates to me & find it to be 100% factual. On the rare occasion that he makes a flat out error about something, he corrects it & sets the record straight.”

      Mandy,

      Does that mean that you have also found everything you’ve read of Pat’s blog posts and tweets so far to be “100% factual” and therefore completely true as well, or are you referring only to those things that Pat has communicated directly to you, specifically?

      • Liberty Chick Says:

        What I’m saying is that if he asserts it is a hard fact, he presents support to backup such a fact. And I usually find it to be accurate. Not everything Pat says or writes is asserted as “fact”. There is a differentiation between statements of opinion, speculation, theory, etc. versus “facts,” and whether it is on a blog post or in a conversation I’ve had on any topic, I have always known Pat to make the effort to be careful and accurate in what he asserts as hard facts.

        To address Qritiq’s point, for example, the statement, “Circumstantial evidence ties together Ford and Rauhauser — and also ties them to a man named Ron Brynaert…” is actually true. Circumstantial evidence by definition is “indirect evidence in which an inference is required to connect it to a conclusion of fact.” I think there have been many such examples demonstrated right here at this blog & the others they frequent, and in Ron’s Twitter timeline to show that connections exist between Neal & Darrah, and subsequently them & Ron. When you factor in examples of other circumstances, the inference becomes stronger – such as when new information becomes available in Kimberlin’s lawsuit, Neal, Darrah & Ron have on multiple occasions posted about that info here on this blog & others and on Twitter, before it was ever even released to the public.

        I understand some might have trouble differentiating between terms that represent direct evidence of hard fact vs circumstantial evidence vs opinion/speculation/theory, etc. but I think Pat is pretty clear in how he states each. Ron especially seems to have difficulty making this differentiation himself, which is evident from his Twitter timeline. Anyone who follows it can watch Ron jump from reading someone’s words to manipulating them into something else in a matter of split seconds.** So it’s no surprise to me that Ron would claim Pat asserted something as fact when perhaps it was really presented differently. Nonetheless, I’ve had Ron do it to me more times than I care to count. But that’s my opinion. (see that?)

        ** quick example: https://twitter.com/#!/ronbryn/status/153350381949296640, observe how Ron intentionally extracts words from 2 different paragraphs, then merges them together in a single sentence to give it an entirely different meaning. He can still scream at you, “but you said that!” and it might be *sort of* true….but not really…you can see how dishonest the technique is. Neal & “Darrah” seem to have mastered the same MO as well.

        Even passersby have stumbled onto Ron’s timeline and compared his tweets alongside the content he cites, only to observe the same thing and remark about it. You can also search out the accusations he makes and you’ll find much of it doesn’t exist as he portrays it – i.e. you’ll find occasional flurries of tweets of me defending myself against “Darrah” or pressing for answers, but not of me “stalking & threatening her daily.” You’ll find the opposite if you search all her aliases. (If not, I keep a tiny sampling at my Twitpic). And no, I’ve never sought out & tried to publish where she lives, as she falsely accuses. There’s not even circumstantial evidence to suggest that. You’d think Ron would investigate THAT. Instead, he presents those accusations as “facts.”

        • Mandy,

          Are you fucking serious?

          “@Prepostericity suspects @AaronWorthing @Patterico @Liberty_Chick may be “in total cahoots with FBI” to modify weather”

          Obviously, any sane person can see that the modify weather part was a joke. But Prepostericity did indeed say you were in cahoots…and did indeed say modifying the weather was happening today in the link I provided.

          This is the same Alinsky tactic Aaron Worthing used last night. I joked that his filing would get me and Obama’s uncle deported. But the silly troll kept pretending it was serious.

          Just like Mandy and the porn mooks pretend “staple the truth” is a serious threat.

          Also…you idiots…I never report anything in the Seth Allen case until it’s posted at the Maryland court website, which I check a few times every day.

          And even if Brett Kimberlin were paying me 500 dollars a week – which he – of course – is not – why would it matter? You’re getting paid by Andrew Breitbart and Kimberlin’s Indict Breitbart website is one reason why you are after Velvet Revolution.

          • Qritiq,

            Can you please ask Mandy to take the time to provide proof that I’m in any way connected to Neal and/or Darrah instead of pretending the proof has been on this blog?

            There is a mountain of fucking evidence that indicates the opposite, however, which patterico, mandy, dustin all like to ignore.

            Sean Tompkins said the other day that he links me to Neal just to get me mad.

            Also,

            “And if Pat thinks I got anything wrong here, he is welcome to comment/respond here for himself. He is not welcome to send a troll (or a more polished writer) to do his bidding.”

            Why is Mandy here RIDICULOUSLY claiming that Patterico never accused me of swatting him and that it’s only my imagination?

          • Liberty Chick Says:

            Fine Ron, I retract it, I really don’t care enough to argue over the word “accuse.”

            I’m more concerned about all the rest of your pollution. Stop deflecting. And calm down. We’re the ones who’ve been tweeted at by you daily, all day, for 6 months. Not the other way around.

            I maintain that I am innocent of every single nefarious thing you’ve ever insinuated, implied, speculated, or accused of me in public. The evidence IS your entire Twitter timeline. I would testify to my innocence in a court, take a lie detector test, whatever I have to do. I. HAVE. DONE. NOTHING. WRONG.

            ps – why do you still refuse to address what appears to be recent perjury from BK? is that not relevant to this whole story?

            pps – I have to monitor Iowa caucus activity now, so I won’t be responding for some time. Please don’t turn my delay in response into a conspiracy, OK?

          • I’m so tired of being linked to Neal and Darrah: two people I have criticized for saying vile stuff.

            I’m so tired of hearing that Liberty Chick and Patterico and Andrew Breitbart have no connection to Sean Tompkins or Doug Life or Doctor Warbucks or DonnysPoodle or DefendWallSt or RenderNintendo64 when they never criticize them for saying vile stuff and share tweets.

          • Liberty Chick Says:

            “Kimberlin’s Indict Breitbart website is one reason why you are after Velvet Revolution”

            No one is “after” them. They were newsworthy at the time I wrote about them OVER A YEAR AGO.

            NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THAT IndictBreitbart CAMPAIGN – it’s laughable. There is no legal validity to it against Breitbart because what Velvet Revolution claims about AB are false (shocker). No one is concerned about something a court would never allow to move forward. NO ONE CARES. I DON’T CARE.

            Get it through your head already, Ron. Now you sound exactly like Neal.

            Seriously, now I really gotta go… I’ll respond to your lunacy later.

          • OMG, you silly trolls, you address little to nothing, smear me, accuse me of crimes, duck my questions, lie about my answers, attack my family, stand idly by while your pals attack my family, and Mandy accused me of lots of vile, stuff like wanting to spy on her in her bathtub….

            You attack me on blogs that I can’t leave comments on.

            Mandy attacks me on Mike’s blog and Pat’s blog and Aaron’s blog but…yeah…it’s all just me….when i’m actually reporting on the story and Mandy has written zilch after seven months.

            But now Socrates, Aaron Worthing, Dustin, Mandy and the Cry Wolfe Blog think my non-reaction to cherry-picked quotes from an alleged transcript I haven’t heard means something?

            Um…seriously?

            Kimberlin isn’t on trial, Socrates was…and now he might be held in contempt. How about writing a blog about whether or not calling a judge “fatfuckface” forcing him to recuse himself from future proceedings might land a troll in jail?

            And this is America…are you fucking trolls absurd.

            I’m not taking a lie detector test…especially when hackers and crazy trolls and a cowardly ADA accuse me of crimes. And I never would anyway since they are unconstitutional and unfair…since plenty of people know how to beat them, giving them an unfair advantage even if you believe the science in the first place…which I don’t.

          • Liberty Chick Says:

            Yes Ron. Is IS coincidence. I was not being paid by anyone, not even by Breitbart. I was a VOLUNTEER contributor, like everyone else. NO ONE PAID ME – it was a newsworthy story at the time *because* of the attacks on the Chamber, including from Wikileaks, Anonymous and…oh yeah…President Obama. I’ve told you & everyone a million times, it was newsworthy & timely. Of course other people were writing about it. Why is that so impossible for you to grasp?

            AB tweets lots of stories when they’re about to break. That is not a conspiracy.

            Like I said, you can look at my bank statements, I offered you that. You won’t. So – report the “crime.” Please do. Let prosecutors subpoena my bank statements then. Subpoena Chamber of Commerce people. The proof you need to convict does not exist because it DID NOT HAPPEN that way. It was relevant NEWS at the time, you idiot.

            Did you call the Chamber & ask if they ever solicited my post? Did you call & ask AB? Did you call & ask HB Gary? Since you’re still pushing this pollution, I’ll guess that you haven’t. You accuse, and accuse, and accuse and NEVER verify.

            Now stop stalking & harassing everyone over a fabricated conspiracy. This is all convolution & deflection and anyone making those claims you just did on this blog is engaging in defamation because the claims are FALSE and I have told you so repeatedly, even offered to prove my innocence (which is backwards in America, btw).

            You choose stalking, harassment & defaming instead. (Why is that, I wonder?) Like I said, I wrote the article, I know the truth, and truth is on my side, not yours.

            And Qritiq, I defended Pat because I felt like it. I’m tired of watching this blog be used to try and harm people based on your commenters’ fabrications.

            ps – Ron – I accused you? Seriously???? Get a grip.

          • ““Kimberlin’s Indict Breitbart website is one reason why you are after Velvet Revolution”

            No one is “after” them. They were newsworthy at the time I wrote about them OVER A YEAR AGO.

            NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THAT IndictBreitbart CAMPAIGN – it’s laughable. There is no legal validity to it against Breitbart because what Velvet Revolution claims about AB are false (shocker). No one is concerned about something a court would never allow to move forward. NO ONE CARES. I DON’T CARE. ”

            Mandy,

            Your boss unblocked me the other day for five minutes to insult me and you retweeted him…and he was clearly referring to Indict Breitbart and/or Occupy for Accountability.

            Mandy Nagy
            Liberty_Chick Mandy Nagy
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            @RBPundit @AndrewBreitbart @ronbryn Intentional convolution chases away authorities & makes it easier for perpetrators to lie. Right, Ron?
            27 Dec
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            Well, you are certainly paying attention. It’s weird. And soooo convoluted. I think intentionally so. @bestwriterextra @ronbryn @Patterico
            27 Dec
            Retweeted by Liberty_Chick
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            Explain, @ronbryn @NealRauhauser: Also, why are @Patterico, @Stranahan & @LibertyChick targeted, too, in Kimberlin’s campaign? Learn me!
            27 Dec
            Retweeted by Liberty_Chick
            Mandy Nagy
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            @RBPundit @AndrewBreitbart @ronbryn Ron’s not insane at all. His actions are very carefully calculated & coordinated.
            27 Dec
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            Explain, @ronbryn @NealRauhauser: Why’s leftist convicted domestic terrorist Brett ‘Speedway Bomber’ Kimberlin leading campaign against me?
            27 Dec
            Retweeted by Liberty_Chick

          • Mandy,

            I assume Breitbart pays you. Don’t use caps to express anger at me when it’s your boss you should be complaining to for Huffington Posting you and profiting off of your work. Maybe you and Lee Stranahan should apply for jobs at Raw Story where they actually pay you.

            That’s not the only tweet you made alleging that I’m a pervert stalking you for your awesome body.

            When Patterico wants to stop being a coward, I’ll talk to him…but you and Dustin and Aaron don’t honestly debate. You smear, you lie, you Alinsky.

            If I knew Dustin and he kept smearing Qritiq I would tell him to knock it off..but Mandy and Patrick and Aaron say nothing when he distorts.

            Dust92 Dustin
            @qritiq deleted proof that Ron threatened Patterico and his wife. She even attacked Patterico for saying he’d report it.
            7 hours ago

            Dustin is lying his ass off about this.

            First off, all you Breitbart jerks know I said the sarcastic staple the truth to his face tweet because Patterico was accusing me of crimes and egging me on to say something so he could report me. So I tested the limits and said something..that all you thugs take out of context.

            The “proof” was deleted because the tweet was already in the comments section but Dustin likes to pretend she got rid of the evidence because that’s what you sickos do. You can’t win on facts…so you deliberately misconstrue stuff like calling me a liar because I joked that Socrates said you were controlling the weather.

            You are all despicable because you all write countless articles about how so-and-so’s links to this person makes them bad…yet you all say nothing when Breitbart trolls say horrible stuff.

            When I was in high school, when friends I was with menaced others, I called them out.

            Yet, Patterico, Liberty Chick and Patterico can’t even say “cool it” and mock you for asking them to tell their fellow cyber gang bully members not to threaten violence, make fun of peoples looks, gaybait, or be sexist.

            You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Yet you all blast me for not criticizing Darrah or Neal or Monica…when I have. So has Kid Kenoma. So has Qritiq.

            But you stand by your monsters.

          • Ron, I’m not a monster for being harshly critical of your [edited due to libelous statement and unfounded accusation -ed]

            http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/ronbrynaert.jpg/

            http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/225/ronbrynaert3.jpg/

            I noted that you’re a criminal for leaving those comments, Ron. You say that makes me a monster. You can’t take responsibility for what you’ve done, so you trash those who hold you responsible instead.

            Qritiq was critical of Patterico contacting law enforcement about this [this is an outright lie -ed] , and I think that’s pretty appalling and I said so. She noted she didn’t see the tweets [another outright lie -ed], so I provided them.

            I think Qritiq, Neal, Brett, and a few others are playing a game that is harming innocent people. I don’t know that they are working together in every case. There’s no way to know. But I called out the things I disagreed with and was banned instantly [incredibly blatant lie -ed].

            This is not a forum where you can criticize Qritiq effectively. She’ll ban you and then describe what you did … which is not as good, in my opinion, as leaving your comments up and then replying to them. [I have only banned 3 people in the years I’ve had this blog. -ed]

            It just seems to be a place for Neal and Ron and Qritiq to … I don’t even know what y’all are doing. It’s pretty boring so I don’t come here, which is why I didn’t even know you outed me a couple of weeks ago.

          • Of course I did not out you. You obviously don’t live in Monte Rio. And Mason Smith is not your name.

          • It is impossible to believe that someone who deals with L.A. gangs on a daily basis, is afraid of an editor 3000 miles away. Give us a damn break.

          • Everything Qritiq doesn’t want to take responsibility for is called “blatant lie”

            But I actually did post screenshots proving my claims about Qritiq… at Patterico’s blog. She then threatened to sue. [disinformation -ed] She also threatened to sue me (or whatever you call it when she asks who will pay my legal fees… that’s a threat to sue in my book).

            Qritiq’s name is ironic, since she hates critics.

            No, my name isn’t Mason. That was a joke. But as Ron talks about my dog’s name and other things like that, it’s really clear what this forum is all about, Qritiq.

            You don’t delete private details about people. You delete criticism, and I have to say, you call the truth a lie repeatedly.

            It isn’t possible to win an argument with you on your blog because you just delete anything you can’t refute.

          • I delete unfounded accusations and libelous statements. Unlike Patterico.

          • “Of course I did not out you. ”

            Qritiq, did I say you outed me? No. You guys are not even close.

            If I said that, you’d call it “blatant lie to suggest I outed you!!!!!!!!”

            No, one of your welcome sockpuppets is doing that.

            “It is impossible to believe that someone who deals with L.A. gangs on a daily basis, is afraid of an editor 3000 miles away. Give us a damn break.”

            BS. It is wrong to threaten to harm Patterico’s spouse or threaten to punch him. Saying ‘oh but I don’t think he should be afraid” is a disgusting and appalling excuse.

            And we’re talking about people who are [redacted due to unfounded accusation -ed] and we’re talking about swattings, so it’s entirely conceivable that since [redacted due to untrue statement -ed] would understand that Patterico is going to take threats very seriously.

            I doubt he handles his duties prosecuting gangs by laughing off threats as no big deal, either. He has to take this stuff very seriously.

            Brett Kimberlin was a suspect in a shooting of an innocent old lady. He was convicted of setting bombs. [notice how Dustin inserts accusations of Kimberlin here, when Kimberlin has nothing to do with what he’s talking about. I guess, like the other statement that he wrote in his comments here like 10 times, that I had to edit out, – he is attempting to manipulate google search results. You can see him using the exact same tactics in his comments at cryingwolfe. There’s one post where he leaves four separate comments, and in every single one, he calls me a liar (and I don’t think I even had anything to do with the post.) Obviously, he is not doing this stuff by accident. Also, I really don’t follow Kimberlin, so I have no idea if Dustin’s accusations about him here are true or false. Odd that Dustin never talks about any other ex-cons who are out on the streets – only Kimberlin. Gotta ask yourself – Why? -ed] People are getting swatted. Someone could easily be shot in a swatting prank.

            Think about a swatting for a moment.

            Children are drug out of their home by armed men. The spouse is pulled out at gun point of her own own in the middle of the night!

            No, it’s not about how tough and bad these thugs are. If they were real men, they wouldn’t need to out and menace and stalk and swat people.

            The fact is that Ron has used violent rhetoric to describe how he wants to interact with Patterico, and what I see as violent and incredibly depraved rhetoric to talk about his wife, with comments such as that centipede comment. That is not OK with me.

            You delete my calling this a threat as libel, which says a lot about you.

            As to your claim you’ve only banned three people, I don’t believe you. Why would I when [redacted due to untrue statement -ed] I could post a link to my comment explaining this, with screenshots… [redacted due to untrue statement -ed] But you’d just delete that comment, right? That’s why no one can trust you, Qritiq. They know that you are so unable to respond to criticism that you delete it instead.

            And you only seem to have about five commenters left anyway and three of them seem to be the same person.

            Qritiq, Ron, Brett. All three seem to think threatening lawsuits is a good way to handle comments they claim are wrong. [redacted due to disinformation – out of context, words twisted -ed]. And Neal found this blog, of all blogs, to share some of his insights.

            Who do you think you’ve fooling?

          • I’m sure it’s clear to everyone who the liar is Dustin. Your comment above is chock-full of disinformation. Ron made a stupid and crude comment, yes. Calling it a threat in some sort of effort to make an editor out to be some kind of criminal is simply disinformation. It is also a lie to say that editor is “palling around with Brett”. And I’m sure you know that’s just a lie. You’ve also propagated that crude and disgusting comment NUMEROUS times – that is absolutely disgusting behavior on your part.

            I’m very curious what your motive is in trying so desperately to make people think R0n is working with Brett. Everyone knows that’s just silly.

          • I think the SWATs were terrible. And I think it’s terrible that you are taking the focus off the actual perpetrators by trying to put a focus on R0n and telling lies about him. Also, really don’t see what Kimberlin has to do with all this.

            I’m not sure if your motive is to protect the actual swatters or to try to get people to think that R0n and Kimberlin have something to do with it.

            Well, either motive shows exactly what kind of person you are. You have “outed” yourself.

          • just to highlight my note above:

            notice how Dustin inserts accusations of Kimberlin in the above comment, when Kimberlin has nothing to do with what he’s talking about. I guess, like the other statement that he wrote in most of his different comments here like 10 times, that I had to edit out, – he is attempting to manipulate google search results. You can see him using the exact same tactics in his comments at cryingwolfe. There’s one post where he leaves four separate comments, and in every single one, he calls me a liar (and I don’t think I even had anything to do with the post.) Obviously, he is not doing this stuff by accident. Also, I really don’t follow Kimberlin, so I have no idea if Dustin’s accusations about him here are true or false. Odd that Dustin never talks about any other ex-cons who are out on the streets – only Kimberlin. Gotta ask yourself – Why?

    • I do that, too. Everytime someone communicates something to me, I immediately verify it. How do you verify it? Do you call for satellite footage if he says traffic is bad in LA? You say extremely silly stuff sometimes.

      “To my knowledge, Pat never came out & accused Ron. Ron accused Ron. He took Pat’s words & turned them into an accusation.”

      http://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible#comment-821813

      Ron – I know what your voice sounds like.

      One day, we’ll all know what Ron’s voice sounds like.

      Ron’s Twitters tonight sound surprisingly sane.

      Guilty, yeah. But sane.

      Comment by Patterico — 7/22/2011 @ 9:36 pm

      Dan Wolfe is a fraud.

      Comment by Patterico — 7/28/2011 @ 12:14 am

      And Dan Wolfe is JohnReid9.

      Comment by Patterico — 7/28/2011 @ 12:15 am

      In my opinion.

      Comment by Patterico — 7/28/2011 @ 12:15 am

      And Ron Brynaert is in league with them and Neal Rauhauser.

      Working for Anthony Weiner, to blunt the edge of material I have not yet released, from Anthony Weiner to Nikki Reid. To sow confusion.

      And do other evil things.

      Dan Wolfe doesn’t care about any of that. He may not be behind the threats but he is not what he claims to be. He is a fraud.

      Comment by Patterico — 7/28/2011 @ 12:17 am

      Dustin, if you like, I will delete the link to Ron’s post. I will also consider posting his IP, as well as the expunged arrest information I previously deleted.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/1/2011 @ 5:33 pm

      When I was waiting for a police detective from Mass to call me during the last week of June, all the cell phone coverage in my area mysteriously went out…Patterico agreed on our phone call that that might have been hackers.

      Actually, I think I remember a time during our phone call when you either left or had your service disrupted about 45 minutes into our hour-long call the morning of July 1. It only lasted 3-5 minutes. Is that what you’re talking about?

      Comment by Patterico — 8/2/2011 @ 8:16 am

      And I get tired of people like Dan Wolfe and Gennette Cordova telling me that they have nothing that will help. Let me be the judge of that — or, if not me, then law enforcement.

      I view this a little like Bush viewed the terrorists. You’re either with me or against me.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/4/2011 @ 7:03 pm

      That’s not what I remember, Ron. I remember discussing the comment Alicia Pain left about your criminal record, and how I had taken it down. You seem to acknowledge in an earlier comment a disruption of some sort that occurred about 45 minutes into our call the early morning hours of July 1, which lasted maybe 3-5 minutes, after which we continued talking for another 15 minutes or so. You remember both of those things, right?

      Comment by Patterico — 8/5/2011 @ 7:26 am

      Ron,

      Alicia Pain left her comment about your expunged conviction at 9:49 pm. In our long phone call, I told you about that and you explained what had happened. And I told you I had moderated the comment.

      That was the same phone call where you disappeared for a few minutes and then told me your phone service had been disrupted. Do I have that right?

      Comment by Patterico — 8/5/2011 @ 8:07 am

      Ron has offered up his e-mails and phone records to law enforcement. I may be able to arrange that for you, Ron. E-mail me and let me know how you would like to be contacted, and I’ll ask them if they would like to have you sign a consent form.

      But of course, I don’t believe you for a second. Dan Wolfe also claimed he would cooperate with law enforcement — right up until the moment when I asked him to actually do so.

      Why do I suspect that Ron will behave in exactly the same way?

      Prove me wrong, Ron. I’m sure I can arrange for a consent form to be provided for you to sign, to accomplish what you have offered.

      Claiming that this is an offer from a “sock” is an excuse that nobody will believe, by the way. You know how to look up the real number for the law enforcement agency I will have contact you, and you can call them yourself to verify it’s for real.

      So what do you say, Ron? Was your offer serious? Or an evasion by a criminal trying to appear innocent?

      Comment by Patterico — 8/6/2011 @ 12:52 pm

      Ron isn’t just a “troll,” Joe.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/6/2011 @ 12:53 pm

      I’m not sending any emails because …

      … because your offer to talk to law enforcement was a lie.

      Just like Dan Wolfe.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/6/2011 @ 2:21 pm

      Nah, Ron is not Dan, in my opinion.

      But they are dishonest in similar ways.

      They both have something to hide.

      I think they are hiding different things.

      But they both have something to hide.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/6/2011 @ 2:47 pm

      Meanwhile, Gennette has written me to say that she is showing the DMs to Mike Stack but not to me. I guess I hurt her feelings by . . . not groveling or something.

      She acts quite a bit like Dan Wolfe. Toe the line and she’ll dole out the tidbits. Otherwise, you and your desire to solve who has been menacing your family can go hang.

      I am more suspicious of her than ever.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/8/2011 @ 8:02 pm

      I have this very weird feeling something bizarre is going to happen tonight. It feels like June 30 all over again.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/8/2011 @ 10:16 pm

      Despite all this, I’m feeling good. We’re making progress. I believe we are going to get the bad guys and send them to prison. There was some progress on that front today.

      Were I one of the bad guys, I would be nervous right about now.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/8/2011 @ 10:54 pm

      All these people are creeps. Ron Brynaert, Neal Rauhauser, Gennette Cordova, Dan Wolfe, John Reid. There may not be but 3 actual people behind those five names.

      Comment by Patterico — 8/10/2011 @ 12:05 am

      • Oh, and, again, that’s a complete fucking lie.

        There was no interruption on our June 30/July 1 phone call…there was no disruption. I didn’t leave the phone for 10 seconds or 30 or 60 or any time at all.

        And on all the phone calls I had with Patterico we spoke specifically about Andrew Breitfart so if you don’t know that, Mandy, then obviously you don’t know everything. On the last phone call, he confirmed it was him by mentioning that we discussed Mr. Breitfart on our last call.

      • Liberty Chick Says:

        Ron –

        How do you reconcile your complaints about Pat, or anyone for that matter, “accusing” you of something, when you make false accusations daily, without evidence (that’s not manipulated), that you assert as fact?

        Just curious…

        • Mandy,

          When you accuse me at 4 am in the morning back your shit up. What are my lies exactly?

          I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt….and say this tweet was a product of bad memory and not an out-and-out lie.

          “Liberty_Chick Mandy Nagy
          @qritiq You may not be aware, but @ronbryn started accusing me of ludicrous crimes as early as June, before swats, hasn’t stopped for 6 MOS!
          16 hours ago ”

          First off, I never heard of you until July 3rd when you tweeted that you didn’t think the jennifer george in mass. existed…and that was after both alleged swats….and then you tweeted that I worked at Raw Story currently….which I assumed was a deliberate “mistake”. I also was helping Patterico through the first week of July….we didn’t have our fall out until he ducked my emails and direct messages for days – along with Empty Wheel – leading me to believe I was hacked.

          Ludicrous crimes?

          I accused you of working with hackers…and you do. Sean Tompkiins, Doug Life and Thomas Ryan are all people that you collaborate with, and all are hackers to varying degrees. You defend HB Gary, as well.

          Anyway, answer one question, Mandy.

          Why do you think this article was published on October 6, 2010?

          http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=9999100919012

          • Liberty Chick Says:

            You started tweeting about me while I was away on vacation the last week of June into the first week of July. While I was away, I only checked tweets sporadically, not much at all, so I caught up with the majority of them when I returned home from vacation. All I know is that there were tweets from some Ron guy making wild accusations about me. I had no idea who you were, until someone else said you were from Raw Story. I later found out you were *formerly* with Raw Story. (and incidentally, it dawned on me who you were because I’d read your work in the past). Anyway, that was NOT a deliberate mistake.

            I don’t remember tweeting that about JG in Mass. Frankly, I wasn’t really that focused on the JGs, AND I was away on vacation and not hanging on every Weinergate detail, so I’ll assume you’re right. I really don’t care.

            Hacking is a daily news item in 2011, so I follow MANY online. I assure you, I’m not off collaborating with every hacker who tweets with or at me. While you refuse to believe it, I barely know two of the three you mention. I can assure you, I don’t know how to hack, don’t engage in hacking & certainly never collaborate with anyone on hacking. So you can abandon that accusation.

            On HB Gary, which was a news story I followed earlier in the year, what I defended was the truth, Ron. While I stated that I didn’t agree with what HB Gary proposed for countering their clients’ Wikileaks/Anonymous attackers, HB Gary was also being accused by some people of things that the firm did NOT do – so I defended the truth. You, Neal & Darrah keep pushing a lie/insinuation about me working for or with HB Gary, which is just flat out false. If HB Gary read my work, it’s not because I or anyone I know told them to. My guess is, they know how to Google. End of story.

            In the end, all these people you keep mentioning like Tom Ryan or Sean Tompkins – I never knew any of them until you all started putting my name with theirs. When you do that, the people mentioned naturally then contact each other to say WTF. Perhaps it’s a “social experiment” you’re involved with, but I do find it convenient that 6 months of tweets happen to line up all the characters necessary to make the conspiracies that Neal, Darrah, Brett & you have been pushing now actually look feasible!! Don’t think I haven’t noticed that.

            You tell me why you think the IndyStar article was published on October 6, 2010, Ron, because you obviously have your own theory. All I can say is, THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY. Not on MY end, anyway.

            If you’re going to tell me it was part of a “social experiment” and all of the events up until now have been socially engineered, then I hope the “experimenters” have some really damn good attorneys.

          • Keep claiming this and maybe it will come true?

            I never heard of you until you dissed my source at the time…and it was certainly after Mike Stack was allegedly swatted, since that happened while I was still working with Preston and I wasn’t tweeting about Weinergate.

            You tweeted about JG…and then you took my words out of context. My twitter profile clearly said I no longer worked at Raw Story yet you said I did….then write a bunch of nonsense about how you blah blah blah. Either you said i currently worked at Raw Story on purpose – because you have this insane Socrates sourced theory that Brett Kimberlin and Neal Rauhauseer are linked to Raw Story – or you made a dumb reading comprehension mistake.

            And stop lying that you came home to tweets. I never said anything to you until you knocked my source for Stranahan. And your tweet was full of shit anyway, since you had been chasing Darrah with Doug for Mike in June, who you suspect may be Jennifer George from Mass.

            I asked you one question, Mandy.

            Why do you think that article was published on October 6?

            Your opinion. Was it chance that it was published right when Patterico and Breitbart were hyping your article? Was it chance that Dustin and Aaron Worthing were trolling with Brad Blog before your article was published? Was it chance that HB Gary and the Chamber of Commerce were targeting Brett Kimberlin, as you yourself would later report?

            I never heard of Tom Ryan until I read his article on Andrew Breitbart’s website….are you seriously saying I said his name to you first? I never heard of Sean Tompkins until I caught up a few months later with all the tweets you sent to Darrah in June and your targeting of OccupySomething with the porn gang in September.

            “If HB Gary read my work, it’s not because I or anyone I know told them to. My guess is, they know how to Google. End of story.”

            um, you can’t even be honest about HB Gary reading your work…there was no “if”

            http://bigjournalism.com/libertychick/2011/02/14/as-hacked-chamberleaks-emails-break-left-scrambles-to-hide-ties-to-domestic-terrorist/

            “Now, did I have any idea some intelligence firm would stumble across this post and use it in their work? Of course not. (If I had, I might have asked for some cash!) ”

            haha so funny…..you did get paid cash though, by Andrew Breitbart…and you clowns keep pretending Brett Kimberlin means something to the online left…when you could instead by exposing sleazy Markos and his netroots pals.

      • “Everytime someone communicates something to me, I immediately verify it.”

        Hence all the horrible lies you’ve told, which are based entirely on the accusations of convicted perjurer Brett Kimberlin, whom Qritiq said has done his time so why not leave him alone? [out of context and completely twisted my words as per usual for Dustin -ed] Even though he’s outing people and ruining their lives… let’s just cut the poor bomber some slack.

        Everything you’ve claimed Seth did turned out to be BS, Ron. He didn’t go to jail, and he wasn’t in contempt. You never contacted Seth to verify these accusations or ask his explanation.

        No, you’re transparently out to smear people.

        You’ve found a great home for doing it, as any time I explain what you’ve done, Qritiq will just delete that.

  2. I find it interesting that even though I explicitly stated in my post:

    And if Pat thinks I got anything wrong here, he is welcome to comment/respond here for himself. He is not welcome to send a troll (or a more polished writer) to do his bidding.

    … that Pat now has his troll at work tweeting defamatory statements about me, and the most polished writer under the Breitbart tent is here in the unenviable position of trying to defend Pat’s actions.

    I guess Pat is afraid to address his own mistakes; perhaps he believes they are indefensible. Or perhaps he believes that he is such a weak writer, he cannot possibly speak for himself effectively.

  3. I sent Ron either a DM or an email, must have been in early June. He called me back and left a voicemail. I was under the weather, didn’t return the call for a week or more. When I did he was quite upset with me, reading my illness driven delay as some sinister plot.

    Ron and I have exchanged email off and on since then. I recently gave him a copy of the report on what was revealed after Anonymous cracked HBGary Federal’s systems. I also shared the mindmap that was used to create the report, but I pulled it moments ago – there is a tidbit in there that comes from somewhere other than the email dump, and I should not have made it visible. Once this is cleaned up and I double check things I’ll put it back online.

    Those puzzling over all this would perhaps have an easier time if they understood both that Anonymous attacked Paypal over the freezing of Wikileaks funds, and that Team Themis participant Palatir was a spin off from Paypal’s fraud detection unit.

  4. Liberty Chick Says:

    Ron –

    AB tweeted it because he saw Aaron’s post & he can’t understand why BK, you & NR are all harassing me & the others for 6 months. Frankly, I don’t get it either. Other than that it would be convenient in 2012 to not have any of us around to tell the truth, wouldn’t it?

    I retweeted it because I think you’re an angry bully who lies & tries to destroy innocent people and should be called out when you do it. That’s why.

    • Mandy,

      I’m done talking to you since all you do is move the goal posts and have quick answers when you’re busted lying and exaggerating.

      Go play with the Redeye deviants.

  5. “NO ONE PAID ME – it was a newsworthy story at the time *because* of the attacks on the Chamber, including from Wikileaks,”

    Um, I thought the article came out of you researching the Indigo Girls…so then you admit the fucking obvious that it was to ride the HB Gary zeitgeist?

    Mandy, your article was based on large parts on an article that ran on October 6. You’re full of shit. You obviously attacked Kimberlin for HB Gary and the Chamber, and you obviously used Socrates work as a source.

    Go ahead and redact this, Qritiq. It’s real fair for Mandy to smear me by saying I’m linked to Neal and Darrah when there is zero proof…..but the world has to pretend that Socrates research had nothing to do with Mandy’s essentially copy and pasting, using google, and pretending she made some great journalistic breakthrough.

    I mean seriously. If a liberal reporter spoke of a Republican like Joe Gelarden did to Patterico, you would say he was completely biased and untrustworthy.

    http://patterico.com/2010/10/12/joe-gelarden-indianapolis-star-reporter-who-covered-brett-kimberlin-weighs-in-on-the-kimberlin-saga/

    • Liberty Chick Says:

      You’re either incompetent or dishonest, Ron.

      Yes, my interest began as a story I was planning on the Indigo Girls telling people at a GOTV event to “vote Democrat.”

      The video was from Justice Through Music Project. See the date? AUGUST 2010. That’s when I started the piece. Anyone with a brain can see that, once you research JTMP and see in the very first search results the relationship with Velvet Revolution, that the topic and how it was related to the Chamber was relevant, newsworthy and timely.

      You act as though it’s not humanly possible that a woman could discover this on her own. No, according to you snuff tin conspiracy theorists, the only way this could happen is if it came from Socrates. IT DID NOT.

      It’s not a conspiracy that before my story was published, we mentioned it in advance. Hence, some hinting at it – we do tease upcoming stories. And it’s also not a conspiracy that when Socrates noticed the teaser at Patterico, he recognized what it was about. I think it’s natural that Socrates took interest in it, given that he’d apparently been writing about BK. That doesn’t make Socrates a source – because he simply wasn’t. Look at the piece, my sources are cited, you know he wasn’t. You admitted as much to me in the past, but now you no longer want to accept that.

      I don’t know how many more times I can lay this all out for you, Ron. You keep trying to make it NOT be true. Why are you hell bent on wanting NOT to believe the truth? What is your motivation? If you truly were interested in the truth, you would investigate MY claims and MY evidence. You would contact the people you claim have paid me, you would get Brett’s server logs to confirm I viewed that Indigo Girls video in August/September, you would look at my bank statements as I offered to you. You refuse to. YOU REFUSE.

      That leaves everyone asking the obvious questions, Ron – why are you trying so damn hard for 6 months now to discredit me in every way you possibly can, even resorting to personal attacks? Why are you trying to discredit the truth? What do you have to gain by doing so?

      And why won’t you address the glaring appearance of perjury by BK in his own recent hearing, where, coincidentally, he tries to push the same false theories that you’ve been pushing? Why won’t you investigate the TRUTH, Ron?

      You care nothing about the truth. Don’t you EVER claim that you do. I owe you no explanations, yet I repeatedly answer your questions and provide the honest explanations anyway. You NEVER return the courtesy. You’ve done nothing but try every disgusting way possible to discredit the truth and anyone who tells it. You attack me incessantly for giving you the truth.

      What you’ve been doing to me & others is absolutely disgraceful and unforgivable. I’m done with you – you will NEVER accept the truth, or even offer me the simple courtesy of looking at the actual evidence. Meanwhile, you defend perjury. You have zero credibility anymore, Ron. Zero.

      Say whatever you’re going to say. Everyone who DOES look at all the evidence knows that whatever you say about me or this subject will not be credible. That, you *have* proven.

      • “You act as though it’s not humanly possible that a woman could discover this on her own”

        Wow, you will say anything.

        I have a long record defending woman as reporters and bloggers…um, it’s related to the Atrios post you and your friends like to call me Roy over: “A lot of people are seeing what
        you are doing…you go on the radio and claim to speak
        for the community…like kos last night on air america
        who didn’t even mention susan g…….when you really
        speak for yourselves.”

        Not long after that, another friend of mine was mocked by Atrios, and many of the top female bloggers – at the time – began vocally complaining about being ignored by the top blogs on the left, and I was a big part of that charge.

        Seriously, pulling out the sexist card against someone who has defended Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin and Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton as being victims of sexism by the media and on blogs is one of the silliest things you’ve claimed here.

        Googling Brett Kimberlin and BradBlog obviously would have turned up all of Socrates’ blogs and Daily Kos diaries. To claim that you didn’t use them would be silly. Your article was published in October, not August, and if that took you three months – you didn’t even try to contact Brett – no wonder you didn’t get paid.

        Maybe I’ll respond to the rest of your BS later….i stopped reading when you claimed that I am sexist. Wow, strange how my favorite author is Toni Morrison, favorite film critic of all time is Pauline Kael, and my favorite blogger was Empty Wheel until she fucked me over.

        I’m so sexist I worked with Jennifer Preston of the New York Times instead of direct messaging Michael Barbero, who also was reporting on Weiner.

  6. A few simple things here.

    Maryland is a two party state – if a recording is made without the knowledge and approval of all parties involved it’s a felony.

    The recording of the ACORN employees in Baltimore, which was still in Maryland last time I checked, was done without their approval. The people present, James O’Keefe and Hannah GIles, simply and transparently committed a crime.

    O’Keefe and Giles appear to have been there on orders from and funded by Andrew Breitbart – so that’s conspiracy to violate the Maryland wire tap statute.

    If I did something like this to a right wing organization in Maryland a grand jury would be impaneled and I’d be promptly indicted. The particulars of the minutia as to why neither the Baltimore city attorney nor the Maryland Attorney General pursue this I leave to our crack investigative team.

    At a bare minimum O’Keefe should have done time for this crime – puzzling, isn’t it?

    The following muddle of a question I offer to Ron, who has the patience to go digging.

    Google the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and China and hackers. They had an intrusion in the fall of 2009 that was not detected until May of 2010. Who is in the business of untangling such intrusions? HBGary, among others.

    Note that HBGary is a company with a background in forensics, while the Team Themis ISR (ie cyberstalking) cell was a project of HBGary Federal, a separate subdivision headed by Aaron Barr.

    Did the planned ISR cell, involving Paypal offspring Palantir, spring from a desire to hit back at Anonymous for what they did after Paypal’s financial blockade of Wikileaks?

    Did the planned ISR cell get pitched to the Chamber after parent company HBGary serviced the Chamber’s intrusion problem, or was the Chamber’s intrusion and the cleanup the genesis of the ISR cell? This is a timing question – I just shipped Ron the Timeline file for the HBGary analysis along with some hints as to how to interpret the contents.

    We are entering a time of consequences. Seth Allen’s criminal contempt trial is in seven short days. Aaron Worthing has obtained professional help in order to head off the revelation of his real name. James O’Keefe has been publicly fighting with some of his co-conspirators on the NPR smear and it would appear that either civil action or criminal investigation is behind this. And those are just the things that are already out in public.

    And no one is getting in trouble for having rigged up a SWAT raid for someone else. I don’t believe for a minute anyone in this curious ring of frenemies has actually had such a thing done to them, and here is why it’ll never be prosecuted even if it did happen.

    The people who do that, a few hundred degenerates who used to crack conference bridges, got in trouble not for SWATing someone, but for having both a pattern of doing this AND being in the habit of fighting among themselves. The arrests came because former allies had a falling out, or one got arrested and flipped on the others.

    If someone were going to do such a thing today as a specific strategic move rather than a childish, dangerous thrill seeking game, they’d park a car outside a coffee shop with open WiFi, do what was needed, then never appear in that area again. Or better yet they’d ghost along behind a Megabus, using the bus’s onboard WiFi, and leave a real head scratcher for any investigator who was patient enough to untangle the source IP for the job.

    • Liberty Chick Says:

      Neal,

      “O’Keefe and Giles appear to have been there on orders from and funded by Andrew Breitbart.”

      False. End of story. Regardless of how creatively you word it.

      Not that I need to defend AB, I certainly don’t. But since you’re basing your justification for harassment of everyone else on that conspiracy theory, I felt the need to correct you for my own benefit and others’.

      Now take your snuff tin theories elsewhere and stop using Qritiq’s blog to spread unfounded lies as an excuse to harass people with whom you disagree politically. If you want to keep pushing lies that are designed to harass and incite harassment, be a man and do it at your own blog, under your own name, you coward. You always do it as an alias or on sites owned by other people. How convenient for you.

      • The state of Maryland does not permit someone to record someone else without their knowledge. It is simply and transparently a crime. What Giles and O’Keefe did to ACORN employees in Baltimore is a felony.

        As to the connection between Breitbart and O’Keefe, the truth of that would require a prosecutor dangling a sentence reduction before the eyes of a young person looking at losing a decade of their life to our prison system. Then, maybe, we will find out the truth of the matter.

        If I were that prosecutor I’d start with Giles – a young, foolish sympathetic figure in the eyes of a jury, so best to have her as a cooperating witness.

        This is how O’Keefe gets torpedoed – a female accomplice not liking how the Abbie Boudreau thing was shaping up, then the apparent drugging and underwear theft from another accomplice who got cold feet? Maybe Giles is the charm needed to both end his crime spree and determine just how deeply Breitbart was involved in the funding and planning.

        • seems to be HUGE leap to say Breitbart “funding”, “planning”. O’Keefe would certainly bring his stuff to AB without AB having been involved – no reason for AB to involve himself – he’s a publisher. Why would he bother.

          • Liberty Chick Says:

            Qritiq is correct.

            But good luck with that, Neal.

          • “The recording of the ACORN employees in Baltimore, which was still in Maryland last time I checked, was done without their approval. The people present, James O’Keefe and Hannah GIles, simply and transparently committed a crime.

            O’Keefe and Giles appear to have been there on orders from and funded by Andrew Breitbart – so that’s conspiracy to violate the Maryland wire tap statute.”

            That is completely false. I have never seen one bit of evidence that Breitbart knew anything about the Maryland recordings before August. Although, it could be a cover story, since it’s similar to the “kitchen island” for Weinergate – every time Breitbart mentions the August visit by O’keefe he always says “basement office – there is absolutely no evidence that he was involved.

            And, heck, if Breitbart was involved beforehand then I think that completely legitimatizes what O’Keefe and Giles did since they were working for a news organization. Worst case scenario is O’Keefe and Giles would become Freedom of the press martyrs…defended by every news organization and only hated by partisan hypocrites on the left – just like Judith Miller at The New York Times. In other words, Neal, this would be a FAIL for the left but perhaps a WIN for whomever you might work for.

            http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ATAACG0

            Breitbart said that on Aug. 7, he greeted O’Keefe at his Los Angeles home, went into his basement office and watched the Baltimore footage on O’Keefe’s laptop. He wanted to see more.

      • Surprise. They were funded by Breitbart, but Giles was paid half of what O’Keefe got.

  7. Mandy,

    I’m reporting on you. You’re “reporting” on me. Deal with it.

    Feel free to use menace, stalk, whatever you want to describe but don’t pretend for a second that you aren’t an accessory to this threat to go after my family:

    TRPWL Adult Wiki Media
    @Liberty_Chick @ronbryn damn ron its simple..leave mandy alone and we leave u and urs alone..otherwise..all is fair in love and sister love
    27 Dec

    You said nothing. You and Patterico and Andrew Breitbart have gotten many tweets from your porn pals, and your boyfriend, and Doug Life Stewart (whatever his name is supposed to be) and Doctor Warbucks that have said vile things to me, my family and contained real threats. You say nothing. You are an accomplice and a horrible person.

    You and Patterico and Andrew Breitbart all share responsibility if my sister is menaced by porn freaks and trolls. Any of you could have said to Sean Tompkins and Aaron and Dustin to stop it. You don’t. You are sickos.

  8. “Fine Ron, I retract it, I really don’t care enough to argue over the word “accuse.”

    I’m more concerned about all the rest of your pollution.”

    um, an ADA in California accusing me of a crime is more important that anything else you are “concerned” about but you don’t even admit you were either lying for or covering up for Patterico. And you could give a shit less about my predicament…but then stupidly ask why I’m reporting on this story.

    Mandy ignored all the accusing comments by Patterico…and there’s plenty more out there…and instead says she doesn’t care enough to argue.

    Qritiq,

    Can you please quote from Mandy’s comment about retract it in an editor’s note next to the part where she accuses me of making it up?

  9. Off topic:

    AndrewBreitbart AndrewBreitbart
    @
    Now, if I could be conservative – & attack conservatives – the McCain daughter, garglin’ David Gergen, I’d be in business! @AlexKoppelman
    3 hours ago

    Mr. Breitbart takes two sexist shots at Meghan McCain in a cowardly way (he didn’t tweet her)

    She is characterized as “McCain daughter” and that she is “garglin'” David Gergen. Classy.

  10. Couple of comments:

    -As far as

    “I’m tired of watching this blog be used to try and harm people based on your commenters’ fabrications. “,

    I’m not saying we’re all sweetness and light here, but I would say that the several other blogs (that I can think of off the top of my head) discussing the same issues, are far worse than we are on that count, imo.

    -I referred to “common sense” and nonsense in my post. It would make no sense for anyone at any time to consider using Socrates as a source. The idea that someone actually did that is, well, preposterous.

    -As far as some being “sympathetic” to Ron – I don’t think that is quite true, we just see perhaps the reality of the situation. Suppose you have a WR who is a true diva. Yelling at him to stop being a diva is just going to make him angry to think that he accepted your crummy 50 million dollars, when he is worth SO much more because as every one can see, he is simply the best (Hi KK!). And he’ll be a bigger diva than ever.

    Or if you had a QB made entirely of glass, yelling at him to stop getting injured will not cause him to stop getting injured. All you could do is be glad the Phins picked him up and he was no longer your problem.

    • I still say Rex Ryan should have sat Santonio Holmes for at least the first series in the Giants game. The diva would have sulked…but since he did nothing in the last two games would it have mattered? However, it would have sent a message backing the rest of the team, who – evidently – have been grumbling about Holmes all year long.

  11. Poor Dustin, so Santorum-esque. He may desperately want to go to the @InfiltrateCon conference next week, but it’s being held in Gay, Godless South Beach.

    How will he ever get through it?

    • I’m not really very Santorum-esque. I appreciate that Santorum is probably the most direct about his ideology of the remaining candidates, but his view is that the government should improve the culture, and I greatly disagree with that vision and don’t support his campaign.

      If you’re talking about my comment saying I empathize with how awful it was to be attacked about how he dealt with losing his child… well, that doesn’t mean I agree with him on politics. I’m pro-life, but I don’t agree with Santorum on gay rights.

  12. $100,000 Bar Says:

    Docket Date: 01/09/2012 Docket Number: 116
    Docket Description: MOTION, DISMISS
    Docket Type: Motion Filed By: Defendant Status: Open
    Docket Text: DEFENDANT, SETH ALLEN’S MOTION TO DISMISS CASE #339254V AND REPORT BRETT KIMBERLIN TO PROPER AUTHORITIES FOR COMMITING PERJURY TO THIS COURT, FILED. (LP)

    Docket Date: 01/09/2012 Docket Number: 117
    Docket Description: MOTION, APPROPRIATE RELIEF
    Docket Type: Motion Filed By: Defendant Status: Open
    Docket Text: DEFENDANT, SETH ALLEN’S MOTION TO ALLOW DEFENDANT TO TESTIFY TELEPHONICALLY AT THE 01/09/2012 HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 10:00 A.M. FILED. (LP)

    Docket Date: 01/09/2012 Docket Number: 118
    Docket Description: MOTION, APPROPRIATE RELIEF
    Docket Type: Motion Filed By: Defendant Status: Open
    Docket Text: DEFENDANT, SETH ALLEN’S MOTION TO REVERSE DEFAULT JUDGMENT, DISMISS CASE AS FRIVOLOUS AND AWARD DEFENDANT SETH ALLEN $100,000.00 OR ANY OTHER AMOUNT THIS COURT DEEMS APPROPRIATE, FILED. (LP)

    Docket Date: 01/09/2012 Docket Number: 119
    Docket Description: MOTION, APPROPRIATE RELIEF
    Docket Type: Motion Filed By: Defendant Status: Open
    Docket Text: DEFENDANT, SETH ALLEN’S MOTION TO DECLARE BRETT KIMBERLIN AS A PUBLIC FIGURE RATHER THAN PRIVATE CITIZEN, FILED. (LP)

  13. The Green Lantern Says:

    Aaron Worthing has an ebook out. Here’s the Amazon review:

    2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
    5.0 out of 5 stars Definitely one of the best new action novels out there, January 13, 2012
    By Mason Smith (Monte Rio, CA) – See all my reviews
    (TOP 500 REVIEWER)   
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    This review is from: Archangel: A Novel of Alternate, Recent History (Kindle Edition)
    I’m a longtime fan of superhero stories, and also a longtime fan of alternate history. Alternate history gives an author the freedom to explore major figures in fictional situations, which is great for news buffs looking for some entertainment.

    When I learned about this book, with its story about a superhero stepping forward on September 11 and then fighting terrorism while the press fights his anonymity, my expectations shot through the roof. As far as a story building itself on action sequences and interesting looks at major figures, this book didn’t let me down at all.

    A word of caution: this book has a no-holds-barred attitude about the situations our hero stands against. There’s a witty segment where they discuss how our world already has plenty of supervillians. Monstrous men who lack superpowers but are capable of evil I would ordinarily call ‘unspeakable’… except this book speaks unflinchingly about it. Thankfully, these awful situations build up to satisfying resolutions. And there’s humor too, such as the surprising situation blogger Michelle Malkin, author of Culture of Corruption: Obama and His Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks, and Cronies finds herself in.

    The discussion of the military takes a few creative liberties but manages to stay believable. The story of life in Iraq, and the pressures journalists face, is similarly convincing and actually expands the reader’s worldly perspective.

    To sum up, you’ll find plenty of guns and sex and bad guys finding justice in a world that is no more perfect than our own. If you’re looking for entertainment with depth, this is the book I’d recommend.

    ———————————

    Ok, then.

    • I wonder if the Yale Law Report will publish an excerpt.

    • is it kosher for the “editor” to review the book? just askin’

      • Angry Mark Wahlberg Says:

        Is Aaron Worthing’s new 9/11 superhero the personification of his Mark Wahlberg moment?

        Being in the Washington area, he has to be aware of how raw people still are over the 9/11 attacks. For weeks, when we looked out of our windows, we’d see the dark smoke rising off the World Trade Center “pile” unceasingly, dozens of miles away, knowing what it represented.

        Dustin thinks there’s something wrong with Ron being “upset” by the book. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I find it more than upsetting. Some of us knew and grieve deeply for people who were murdered that day.

        So, yeah, things like THIS offend me:

        “Editorial Reviews
        Product Description
        On September 11, 2001, a businessman faced a grim choice. Perched on the ninety-third floor of the North Tower of the World Trade Center, he had to choose between dying in the fire rising around him, or jumping. He chose to jump.

        In our world he died, one of around three thousand to die that day.

        In the alternate world where Archangel takes place, someone was there to catch him. A fireman, wearing a mask, leapt out of a window in the tower and with no visible means of propulsion, the fireman flew after him. The fireman caught the man and brought him down to a soft, controlled landing, live on national television. A real-life superhero had made his national debut.”
        _____________________________

        Yeah, Aaron and Dustin, that upsets me, and a lot of other people.

        _______________________________
        (continued)

        “This is that superhero’s story.

        But this isn’t a fairy tale. Around a thousand people still died in the vicious attack. However, this fireman was able rescue many people from the top of the burning towers. And when he saw the South Tower begin to fall, he caught it using only his mind and set it down safely in Central Park. Finally, he tried to stop Flight 93 from crashing, but in his effort to save the plane it ripped apart, and only a handful were saved.

        So in that day of mourning, there was joy and also a question: who was this fireman?”
        _______________________________

        “… there was joy….”

        Hey, Aaron, there was no goddamned “joy” in New York or Pennsylvania that day. Maybe gratitude or relief on learning that someone you knew or loved escaped or was spared in some way. Choosing the word “joy” speaks to how little depth the writer is personally capable of feeling or understanding about the unspeakable terror experienced by the real people he’s using as a backdrop for his superhero.

        The fact that the writing is wooden and one dimensional made it harder to take.

        Would Aaron Worthing have written this ebook differently if he had published it under his real name?

        – Angry Mark Wahlberg

        • Liberty Chick Says:

          “there was no goddamned “joy” in New York or Pennsylvania that day”

          Ummm…for those of us who had family members (my brother) lucky enough to escape that day when we feared for hours they were dead, yes, there was joy. Especially when we lost friends who weren’t as lucky. Speak for yourself, and yourself only.

          • Are you trying to outdo Ann Coulter?

            Anyone who says they felt joy on 9/11 is a god damned selfish traitor. A human being does not feel joyful when thousands die and there is almost chaos.

            Joy is an inappropriate word to use…and in Aaron’s vile book he still says 1,000 died. I guess relatives of people who died can buy Aaron’s book and find out if they got lucky in his sick, perverted one dimensional imagination.

          • Angry Mark Wahlberg Says:

            “Liberty Chick says:
            January 19, 2012 at 11:56 pm

            “there was no goddamned “joy” in New York or Pennsylvania that day”

            Ummm…for those of us who had family members (my brother) lucky enough to escape that day when we feared for hours they were dead, yes, there was joy. Especially when we lost friends who weren’t as lucky. Speak for yourself, and yourself only.”
            _________________

            @Liberty_Chick:

            You took my true, real-life expression of 9/11 anguish and stripped it of its context in your attempt to  support the use of a badly chosen word in your friend’s superficially drawn piece of FICTION in which he attempted to describe the mood in America on September 11, 2001.

            After writing very briefly of some lifesaving heroics by his superhero in New York and Pennsylvania, Aaron wrote:

            “So in that day of mourning, there was joy and also a question: who was this fireman?”

            I responded:
            “Hey, Aaron, there was no goddamned “joy” in New York or Pennsylvania that day. Maybe gratitude or relief on learning that someone you knew or loved escaped or was spared in some way. Choosing the word “joy” speaks to….”

            In disagreeing with me on how Aaron could have best characterized the overall mood of New York, Pennsylvania, and the entire nation in the face of the actual, overwhelming, crushing grief of 9/11 together with the miraculous stories of survival from that day, Mandy, you first chose to change the intent of my words by removing their context, and then you chose to respond in a condescending, dismissive fashion.

            In using “joy,” Aaron employed the wrong word in trying to build up anticipation for his superhero character (he should have used a word like “hope”), and that hit a raw nerve for me. In your defense of his poor choice of words, you reframed my real-life expression of September 11 grief as being less true, less legitimate  –  less correct  –  than Aaron’s flat, fictitionalized, disconnected description of the overall feeling that day.

            In truth, what you and I described are shades of the same thing; you used Aaron’s term, “joy” while I used “gratitude or relief.” We both framed those terms in the context of the extraordinary, mind-bending grief and loss of that day.

            Bolstering your argument by stripping out the context first and then responding during a theoretical political exchange scores cheap points with the uninitiated, if that’s what you want, but this begs the question: Where is the line that won’t you cross to ‘win’ an argument. 

            “Speak for yourself, and yourself only.”

            Speaking for myself, and myself only, @Liberty_Chick, your signature blend of condescension and provable disingenuity, if not outright dishonesty, makes me sick. 
                    
             ~ Angry Mark Wahlberg            

        • I had been puzzling over this – I don’t want to be harsh to Aaron, but I admit I did lol at some excerpts that someone sent me. The thing is, Aaron is a Yale Law School alum, and I don’t really think the Ivy alums I know would write at this level (and I’m talking even Cornell alums.) So it occurred to me – maybe English is a second language for Aaron? If so, that might account somewhat for the writing and perceived tone-deafness.

          (also kinda thought it was funny that no-one mentioned Dustin’s Amazon “pen-name” and locale (not that there’s anything wrong with that.))

          • Top 500 Reviewer Says:

            You think Mason Smith of Monte Rio, CA is Dustin?

            He’s delivered almost 200 detailed reviews on Amazon since 2007, sings the praises of Gorilla Tape, several watches and a ton of electronics. He also tagged a 24 pack of creamed corn as “garmonbozia” (look it up).

            Aside from the garmonbozia tag and his glowing review for this ebook, and maybe the reference to Michelle Malkin with the complete title of her book, what makes you think they’re the same guy?

            PS: Aaron’s regular writing is solid and tight. His fiction writing is not. Dustin, as editor, did his friend no favors.

          • It is Dustin. If you don’t believe me, just ask him. He has been quite honest about his various pseudonyms, iirc.

          • Top 500 Reviewer Says:

            What are some of his pseudonyms?

      • I bought the book, read it, and reviewed it.

        I also sent Aaron a list of typos I found. Comma splices and spelling errors and a few capitalization errors. After two days of reading it, there was a longish list of things I sent him.

        Aaron was classy enough to thank me for this, but it’s true I’m no professional editor and I’m sure I missed a lot. I didn’t rewrite the book… I have no financial stake in the book… and I purchased the book that I reviewed. Not seeing much scandal there.

        Unfortunately, Aaron has been attacked by monsters and I am happy his book deserved a good review. I enjoyed it. It’s not fine literature or anything, but I thought it was very entertaining.

        I’m impressed that you guys have managed to identify me this way. Out of fear of some of the psychos in this incident, I have indeed changed my name on anything that could also have my home address. Thanks so much for being a host to efforts to make sure the bad guys know more about me.

        I leave tons of typos everywhere, so again, professional editor I am not and do not aspire to me. You’re also talking about my dog. Neat. And you’re scaring my wife… which is Ron’s forte.

        Anyway, by all means, vote “unhelpful” those reviews you do not find helpful.

        I want to note that back when I noted on twitter that people should not contact Qritiq’s employers or screw with her in person… that was in response to private messages with contact info about your supposed employer, with a suggestion that they wouldn’t be happy with your online activities.

        But I’m not a thug. I won’t be party to screwing with people’s lives. I’m satisfied to answer speech I don’t like with more speech. Of course, some people answer speech they don’t like by deleting that speech and having a little comment section party for outing those people.

        • You’re a hypocrite.

          Just like Glenn Greenwald, who used his partner to leave fawning comments, you have hidden the fact that you are Dustin, Aaron’s pal, and you are abusing your Amazon top 500 status to prop up his book.

          Aaron called you his “editor” but your response rings true to me…even so…it’s deceptive not for Patterico fans to know that it’s Aaron’s buddy who is saying buy this. And your name was also Bob before Mason Smith. I assume you changed it so that people would take the Aaron review more seriously.

  14. Ron Brynaert (@ronbryn):
    1/17/12 11:24 PM
    Must read: Epic @Prepostericity vs May41970 feud; Some say it’s Soc’s sock but he says ‘paid fake’ http://support.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=55648 http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org/speaking-of-chemtrail-forum-nonsense-t4-90.html#p1976

    __________________________

    Check if May41970 was one of Prepostericity’s aliases in Yahoo’s response to the subpoena. May 4, 1970 is the date of the Kent State Massacre.

  15. No Sacred Cows Says:

    Mandy Nagy (@Liberty_Chick):
    1/18/12 6:11 AM
    @qritiq funny too…these judges are always dismissing BK’s ludicrous charges, but I never see you folks tweeting THAT… Huh.

    ____________________

    If anyone gave a shit about defending Kimberlin here, they’d defend him.

    The majority of people here aren’t focused on him, other than maybe you and Seth. Condemning people for taking a hard look at Seth without ripping Kimberlin in the same breath is misdirection. I personally believe that Kimberlin is a murderous shit, but do I, and everyone else, have to state that as a disclaimer in every post so that you don’t automatically jump to the convenient conclusion that we support him?

    Socrates injected himself into this forum and made specific assertions, so that’s been discussed. Disagreeing with Seth is obviously not an endorsement of Kimberlin, nor is calling him out. That should be obvious to any fair observer.

  16. No Sacred Cows Says:

    Mandy Nagy (@Liberty_Chick):
    1/18/12 12:36 PM
    @qritiq Punched? Where’s that in the public record? So, you’ve convicted a man w no history, and w/o evidence or a hearing. Uh-huh. I see.

    qritiq (@qritiq):
    1/18/12 11:44 AM
    @Liberty_Chick i dunno – if someone punched me I’d want a restraining order against them. u think it is just a ruse?

    Mandy Nagy (@Liberty_Chick):
    1/18/12 6:09 AM
    @qritiq looks more like a “not so subtle personal info outing scheme,” if you ask me, looking at the many, many others on the site…

    qritiq (@qritiq):
    1/18/12 3:37 AM
    hearing re A’s temp restraining order today, according to MD Case Info site

    ____________________

    If he didn’t hit him, why not just correct Qritiq’s assumption of what second degree assault is, rather than respond that way?  She even asked if you thought it was a ruse.

    If she doesn’t work in law and has never been charged with assault, she wouldn’t know the legal definition, would she?

    Uh-huh. I see. 

  17. No Sacred Cows Says:

    Case Information
    Go Back

    Court System:DISTRICT COURT FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY – CIVIL System
    Case Number:0601SP005392012Case Status:ACTIVE
    Case Type:PEACE ORDEROrder Valid Thru:02/08/2012
    Filing Date:01/09/2012
    Defendant Name:W*****, AARON
    City:********State:VA
    Plaintiff Name:KIMBERLINE, BRETT
    Hearing Date: 01/09/2012Hearing Time:2:13 PMRoom:X3
    Hearing Location: 191 EAST JEFFERSON ST,ROCKVILLE,MD 20850
    Served Date: 01/10/2012
    Hearing Type: TEMPORARY
    Result: COURT ORDERS:
    SHALL NOT ABUSE
    SHALL NOT CONTACT
    SHALL NOT ENTER RESIDENCE
    SHALL STAY AWAY FROM EMPLOYMENT

    Hearing Date: 01/18/2012Hearing Time:8:30 AMRoom:X3
    Hearing Location: 191 EAST JEFFERSON ST,ROCKVILLE,MD 20850
    Hearing Type: TEMPORARY
    Result: COURT ORDERS:
    SHALL NOT ABUSE
    SHALL NOT CONTACT
    SHALL NOT ENTER RESIDENCE
    SHALL STAY AWAY FROM EMPLOYMENT

    Hearing Date: 02/08/2012Hearing Time:8:30 AM
    Hearing Location: 191 EAST JEFFERSON ST,ROCKVILLE,MD 20850
    Hearing Type: FINAL

    This is an electronic case record. Full case information cannot be made available either because of legal restrictions on access to case records found in Maryland rules 16-1001 through 16-1011, or because of the practical difficulties inherent in reducing a case record into an electronic format.

    __________________

    Kimberline?

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